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Isaiah 2:4 Bible in Basic English
And he will be the judge between the nations, and the peoples will be ruled by his decisions: and their swords will be turned into plough-blades, and their spears into vine-knives: no longer will the nations be turning their swords against one another, and the knowledge of war will be gone for ever.

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1. It talks of a time when there will be peace on earth. It hasn't come yet.

2. There is no point of this 'prophecy' nor of the bible nor of 'heaven & hell'.

3. Wat bible did you read that in?

4. This prophecy concerns the 1000 year Millennial reign of Jesus; where Satan will be locked away in the pit for 1000 years. Man will repopulate the earth during the Millennium, and then Satan will be loosed for a short season, to lead away all who are wicked in heart, and come against God's holy city. Then they will be destroyed by fire from heaven, and cast into the lake of fire. See Revelation 20:6-15. Romans 10:8-10 is how to be born again.

5. This:

the non Christian really has no logical alternative but to accept that Jesus is God:

“I’m ready to accept Jesus as a great moral teacher, but I don’t accept his claim to be God.” That is the one thing we must not say. A man who was merely a man and said the sort of things Jesus said would not be a great moral teacher. He would either be a lunatic-on a level with the man who says he is a poached egg-or else he would be the Devil of Hell. You must make your choice. Either this man was, and is, the Son of God; or else a madman or something worse.

You can shut him up for a fool, you can spit at him and kill him as a demon; or you can fall at his feet and call him Lord and God. “

For in Christ all the fullness of the Deity lives in bodily form,
Col 2:9 (NIV)

6. Well, this very Bible verse does not say that we are going to either hell or heaven. In fact, you won't find that teaching in the Bible. It doesn't exist in the Bible. That teaching came from other religions over the years.

In fact, the Bible teaches that we have the hope of living on the earth forever in peace. Psalms 37:11, 29

Bible prophecy exists so that we can put faith in the Bible. It is actually a very loving thing from God so that we know that the future prophecies will come true.

There is much more to be said on this subject. If you would like to discuss more about this you can email me.

7. This prophecy is just saying that man -- not God -- will build heaven on earth. We all know how the Bible was written in a very unstructured way and translated back and forth by people who did not have a degree in translation, let alone a dictionary.

There is a theory according to which the bible -- and other religious books -- is indeed an appeal to a sharing society.

8. This speaks of once Jesus returns and rules this earth for 1,000 years. Jesus comes and then reigns for 1,000 years. Read this with this understanding, it makes sense. Once Jesus is here, we will fight one another no more. We will all see Jesus and stop fighting one another, and the tools of war will be turned into productive tools. And Jesus will be judge over nations and individuals. And we will not prepare for war ever again.
So this is before judgment, and after Jesus returns.
bless you.

Isaiah 2:4 (New International Version, ©2010)
4 He will judge between the nations
and will settle disputes for many peoples.
They will beat their swords into plowshares
and their spears into pruning hooks.
Nation will not take up sword against nation,
nor will they train for war anymore.

9. This prophecy is pertaining to a time of lasting peace. The turning their swords into plough-blades and spears into vine-knives is looking back to the period where Israel was a conquered nation and people couldn't have their own weapons:

1 Samuel 13:19-20 19 Not a blacksmith could be found in the whole land of Israel, because the Philistines had said, "Otherwise the Hebrews will make swords or spears!" 20 So all Israel went down to the Philistines to have their ploughshares, mattocks, axes and sickles sharpened.

The term forever doesn't necessarily mean for eternity, it's just a phrase that means a very long period of time.

I have always attributed this prophecy to be looking forward to the Pax Romana (Latin for "Roman peace") which was forced upon Israel. Yes I know that period was punctuated by periods of rebellion and uprising which the Romans rather blood-thirstily crushed but this must also be seen in the light of constant political upheaval with nation constantly rising up against nation and ordinary civilians never knowing from one day to the next who was going to be in government and when they might be called upon to defend their country with their lives. During this, probably the most politically stable period up to that point there was a professional (Roman) army to constantly keep the peace and ordinary civilians didn't have any need for (and weren't permitted to) have weapons.

That's just my own personal take on the prophecy, of course there are lots of other interpretations.

10. A warning to people to seek Him while they can

11. Heaven: where God lives as well as all other spirit creatures. This includes the "little flock" Jesus said would rule with him in God's Kingdom. It is numbered in Revelation chapters 7 and 14 as 144,000.

Hell: the common grave of all mankind, the place of the dead. There is no one alive in hell. (Ecclesiastes 9:5, 6, 10)

This scripture in Isaiah is in complete agreement with other scriptures that say that no one will be at war anymore but that they shall live forever on earth. Death will be gone as well as all governments that have opposed God's Kingdom. Daniel 2:44; Psalms 3:9, 10, 29; Isaiah 65: 17-25; Matthew 5:5; Revelation 21:3, 4 are a few examples.

12. The way I read on Isaiah 2:4 is telling me that earth will be our home forever, but not in heaven.
Wendi888 is correct about 144,000 will go in heaven only!