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Since absolutely no Bible prophecy has ever failed?

and there are hundreds, how can one realistically remain unconvinced that the Bible is of Divine origin?

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1. Vague bullshit open to interpretation.

The christian cult guide book is nothing more than fairy tales and boogeyman stories written by men in order to keep the uneducated masses amused, in line, and obeying commands to further the authors’ own socio-economic agenda.

2. Because the prophecies are vague and can almost overwhelmingly be fulfilled by people with sufficient power and resources (or in the case of Old Testament "prophecies" being fulfilled in the New Testament, it can more easily be a case of postdiction).

Show me a prophecy that is not:
- An easy prediction
- Self-fulfilling or otherwise able to be fulfilled by men
- Vague
- "Fulfilled" through postdiction

And I might listen.

3. Somme supporting evidence might be nice.

4. they're referred to as "self-fulfilling" prophecies - they're so ambiguously worded and generalized, such "prophecies" are bound to be fulfilled

5. Name some of these so called prophecies.

6. Please tell me which prophesy haven't failed.

Maybe Nostradamus was holy because some people think his prophesies have never failed.

7. Because they need an excuse for their sins. Jesus said that the ONLY reason people reject God is "because their deeds are evil, and they love darkness and hate the light."

They can't afford to admit the validity of the Bible because then they would have no cover to hide behind.

8. This is simply a false assertion.

Many of the Biblical "prophecies" are known to have been written after the events they "foretell." Others are so vague that any number of events could fulfill them. Still others have failed.

Your claim is false.

9. I think you need to show that not a single prophecy has failed.

10. Oh that's easy, each prophecy was placed in the Bible years after they actually occurred.. you appear to be easily hustled; you should do more research on a thing before believing in it; who ever said what you don't know can't hurt you is full of it; what you don't know can most certainly hurt you, that's why you should know about it...

11. You want failed prophecies?? Here ya go, enjoy:

Genesis 26:4 And I will make thy seed to multiply as the stars of heaven, and will give unto thy seed all these countries; and in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed.

Here God tells Isaac that his descendents (Hebrews) will be as numerous as the stars. Considering the number of stars there are in the universe, that would have to be on the order of 1020 Jewish people.

Isaiah 7:14 Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel.

Christians say that this verse is a prophecy of Jesus' birth to a virgin. There are a couple problems with this prophecy...First, virgin in this verse is a mistranslation of the Hebrew word "almah", which actually means "young woman". A young woman is not necessarily a virgin. "Bethulah" would have been the correct word to use if the author meant virgin. Second, nowhere in the New Testament is Jesus referred to as Immanuel.

Isaiah 17:1 The burden of Damascus. Behold, Damascus is taken away from being a city, and it shall be a ruinous heap.

Damascus is still inhabited today with over a million people, and hardly a ruinous heap.

Isaiah 19:4-5 And the Egyptians will I give over into the hand of a cruel lord; and a fierce king shall rule over them, saith the Lord, the LORD of hosts. And the waters shall fail from the sea, and the river shall be wasted and dried up.

The river mentioned here is the Nile. The Nile is still one of Egypt's greatest natural resource.

Isaiah 19:18 In that day shall five cities in the land of Egypt speak the language of Canaan, and swear to the LORD of hosts; one shall be called, The city of destruction.

The Canaanite language has never been spoken in Egypt, and is now an extinct.

Isaiah 52:1 Awake, awake; put on thy strength, O Zion; put on thy beautiful garments, O Jerusalem, the holy city: for henceforth there shall no more come into thee the uncircumcised and the unclean.

There are uncircumcised people living in Jerusalem even today.

Ezekiel 29:10-11 Behold, therefore I am against thee, and against thy rivers, and I will make the land of Egypt utterly waste and desolate, from the tower of Syene even unto the border of Ethiopia. No foot of man shall pass through it, nor foot of beast shall pass through it, neither shall it be inhabited forty years.

Never in its long history has Egypt ever been uninhabited for forty years.

Amos 9:15 And I will plant them upon their land, and they shall no more be pulled up out of their land which I have given them, saith the LORD thy God.

Many times, Jews have been pulled up out of their land. The ownership of their land is still being fought for.

Jonah 3:4 And Jonah began to enter into the city a day's journey, and he cried, and said, Yet forty days, and Nineveh shall be overthrown.

Nineveh was never overthrown. Why? Because God changed his mind in verse 3:10, despite what Malachi 3:6, Numbers 23:19 and Ezekiel 24:14 says about God never changing his mind.


Want more? There are dozens. No, I'll bet you don't want any more. Imagine that...

12. Daniel actually used prophecies from previous prophets to work out how long they were to remain in exile and when they were to be freed. That's how accurate God's word is.

We even learn that apostles after the resurrection of Jesus went back and studied all the prophecies about Him to see if He fulfilled all. That's God's word.

13. Please e-mail me which bible prophecy has ever been true. Or has came about.No need to send anything. I have read some of the failing prophecys. When can I expect a retraction to your questian?

14. "Since absolutely no Bible prophecy has ever failed?"

Uh, how about the one where Jesus said that he would return in the lifetime of his disciples?

Those same "infallible" prophecies you consider evidence have been proclaimed as fulfilled probably as many times as there are prophecies.

Any date of any sort of significance - be it a millennium or decade, or even something from another culture complete (like the year 2012) - brings out the criers who claim that Revelation is being fulfilled and we're in the end times.

I could write you, right now, a prophecy of the same quality of the Bible, and guarantee you that I can prove it to be fulfilled next week. Vague prophecies mean nothing - and that's all that the Bible provides.

15. 2 Peter 1:20-21 (King James Version)

20Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.

21For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.


John 19:35
And he that saw it bare record, and his record is true: and he knoweth that he saith true, that ye might believe.


John 21:24
This is the disciple which testifieth of these things, and wrote these things: and we know that his testimony is true.

Psalm 119:160
Thy word is true from the beginning: and every one of thy righteous judgments endureth for ever.


check these: www.ebiblefellowship.com www.wecanknow.com

16. NO Bible prophecy has ever failed? Are you sure about that?

"Matthew 24:34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled."

There is PLENTY of prophecy both before and after that which did not happen. And if you're going to argue that "this generation" doesn't mean "this generation" based on original Greek text, yes, it does, based on the original Greek text and the context of the rest of the book.

SO, your original assertion is patently false. In fact, no Bible prophecy of any note has ever been fulfilled, at least, no more so than anything Nostradamus did. Prophecy is always interpreted "after the fact" to match up with past events. It NEVER predicts future events. There is, for instance, no prophecy written anywhere which one could look at and count down the time to an impending fulfillment of that prophecy. It's all vague, "It'll fit in somewhere" prophecy or specific "sooner or later" prophecy. In the rare case in which a "prophet" may have gotten something right they either didn't deliver any more prophecies or all or most of their other prophecies are either wrong, vague, coincidental or obvious.

17. no "bible" prophecy has ever come true and this coming from the son of a preacher. I have found more truth out side of the "bible" than i ever found stuck sitting in a pew. And if you want prophecies that came true try Nostradamus.

18. Sorry but every time that a Christian claims a Bible "prophecy" was "fufilled", it's always so vague. Like "The bible said that there would be an increase in earthquakes!"

Like woooow

19. The bible is a book, therefore it is a secont hand source due to its nature. The people who wrote it could have any unannounced characteristics. I think god could use a miracle or two for his own sake.

Conclusion: Religion is an excuse for anything you want.

20. Because your question isn't logical...

(...and besides, If God knows ahead of time what is going to happen, then people don't have "free will." You can't have both "Pre-Determinism" AND "Free Will" at the same time. They cancel each other out. It's either one or the other...)

In college (which is why a college education is so important) there is a required elective Psychology class entitled "Philosophy 101: The Philosophy of Logic" and in that class the professors teach us how we can mathematically determine the "truth" or "falseness" of a person's conclusion by seeing if they applied any "common fallacies" in their statement set-up.

You used two of the main fallacies that people often think is logical, but it isn't. The two you used were:

"The Bare Assertion Fallacy" is a fallacy in formal logic where a premise in an argument is assumed to be true merely because it says that it is true.

That fallacy may be summarized as follows:

Fact 1: X claims statement A.
Fact 2: X claims that X is not lying.
Conclusion: Therefore, A is true.
Put into practice, this fallacy would read:
Fact 1: Simon says that Jack eats ice cream.
Fact 2: Simon says that Simon is not lying.
Conclusion: Therefore, Jack eats ice cream.
A second example:
Fact 1: John says Jesus is the Word of God.
Fact 2: John says he is speaking the truth.
Conclusion: Therefore, Jesus is the Word of God.

The other fallacy that you used is the "Fallacy of Assumption" where you are "leaping to a conclusion" based upon your own "bare assertion..."

In other words, just because ancient people wrote down sweepingly generalized predictions about the future (I predict there will be natural disasters and man-made calamities such as "World Wars" in the future) and they couched those predictions in metaphors that could be interpreted in almost any way a person wanted to...

...does not necessarily mean that "God Told Them About The Future."

Even if your bare assertion that "...ancient people accurately predicted details of the future..." was correct, the only thing you could "logically" conclude from that knowledge is...

"Ancient people somehow had the mysterious ability to predict the future..."

The "cause" of their mysterious ability is not revealed by their accurate predictions, only the fact that they could do it.

The link below will explain how people incorrectly conclude things by the use of "common argumentative fallacies" in their statements...

http://rds.yahoo.com/_ylt=A0oGk749xHVLNW4ARINXNyoA;_ylu=X3oDMTEzY2YzNXZpBHNlYwNzcgRwb3MDMQRjb2xvA3NrMQR2dGlkA0Y2NTRfMTE4/SIG=12hjsblik/EXP=1266095549/**http%3a//www.philosophicalsociety.com/Logical%2520Fallacies.htm

Now if you could ask that question again without incorporating any of those common fallacies, then I would be convinced that your conclusion was correct, but I can assure you...

Claims of "Supernatural Causes" cannot be logically argued because they always contain one or more of those fallacies...

21. The Bible is full of phony, false, and unfulfilled prophecies, as well as later accounts written to make them appear to have fulfilled prophecy.

One of the most common prophecies that Bible believers use in trying to prove the Bible true is Ezekiel's prophecy about the total destruction of Tyre.

Usually Bible believers will refer to Josh McDowell's Evidence that Demands a Verdict to support that argument. However, McDowell grossly misrepresented the facts. In fact, Ezekiel's prophecy about Tyre is a false prophecy, for Tyre is a living city today and it is in the same place it was in ancient times.

The actual city of Tyre was on the island off shore. McDowell lied about Tyre being the city on the mainland because the actual city of Tyre still exists and he wanted to make it appear that the prophecy came true. The city on the mainland was essentially a support settlement for the island city and was called Ushu in ancient times. The island city was called Sur, which means "rock" in Phoenician and referred to the geologic nature of the island; it was called Tsor in Hebrew and that is the word used in the original Hebrew of Ezekiel. In saying that Tyre would be made bare as a rock, he was making a play on the name of the island.

The island city of Tyre had two excellent natural harbors. That is why it gained the prominence it did. The mainland city, on the other hand, does not appear to have had a harbor of any significance.

In his prophecy, Ezekiel said that Nebuchadrezzar would totally destroy Tyre and it would never be rebuilt. Also, Ezekiel was one of those in the Babylonian Captivity when he made his prophecy, and he knew full well of Nebuchadrezzar's plans to attack Tyre. The fact is that Ezekiel prophesied against Tyre because its inhabitants had spoken ill of Jerusalem following its recent destruction as recounted in Ezekiel 26:2-3. The prophecy was therefore against the Tyrians of his own time, not those of several hundred years in the future. That is in contrast to the usual claims that the prophecy was fulfilled by Alexander the Great and Antigonus hundreds of years later.

McDowell also said that the prophesy was made three years before the fact. That is false. McDowell said that in order to make it appear that Ezekiel was making a revelatory prophecy. The prophecy was made in the eleventh year of the Captivity, which was 586 BC, and being one of those in the Babylonian Captivity, Ezekiel would have known full well that Nebuchadrezzar was preparing to attack Tyre. Nebuchadrezzar began his siege of Tyre in 586/5 BC, but, though the siege lasted for 13 years, it was a failure; Nebuchadrezzar did not breach its walls. However, both sides became weary after all those years and an agreement was made that Tyre would become a vassal of Babylon.

Despite its visitudes over time--including the destruction of Tyre by Antigonus 250 years later, after which it was rebuilt--and in stark refutation of Ezekiel's prophecy that it would be made as bare as a rock and would never be rebuilt, the city of Tyre still stands today on what was the original island, which is now connected to the mainland by the causeway that Alexander the Great built.

See Tyre Through the Ages, by Nina Jidejian, and The History of Tyre by H. Jacob Katzenstein.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tyre,_Lebanon

By the way, Ezekiel also prophesied that Nebuchadrezzar would attack Egypt and that Egypt would be uninhabited for 40 years. That was also a false prophecy.

Another example is that Jesus was supposedly born of a virgin according to prophecy. Matthew tried to find something in the scriptures to support the idea of a virgin birth. However, the idea of a virgin birth would have been foreign to the Hebrews of the Old Testament time (it was essentially a pagan concept), and the only passage Matthew could come up with was Isaiah 7:14.

However, the prophecy in that passage was about an event that would take place in the near future from the time it was given, not hundreds of years in the future. Furthermore, the woman spoken of was not referred to as a virgin in the original Hebrew of the passage, but rather a young woman and there was nothing unusual about the birth. As the prophecy said, by the time the child who was to be born would be able to refuse evil and choose the good, the land would be forsaken of both of its kings--again, an event that would take place in the near future.

Also, Isaiah used the Hebrew word for virgin in several other places in his book, so why didn't he use it in 7:14 if the woman was supposed to be a virgin? The answer is that the young woman was not supposed to be a virgin as is clear from the context. As a Greek speaker, Matthew used the Septuagint translation of the scriptures, but that translation often did not convey the sense of the original Hebrew. In that translation the Hebrew word for young woman got translated into Greek with a word that was more ambiguous and could have been taken as meaning virgin. So the whole virgin birth idea was manufactured by Matthew

Also, in several other places in the New Testament, the idea of a virgin birth is negated. In Romans 1:3 and Acts 2:30, for example, Jesus is described as being of the seed of David "according to the flesh," which would rule out the idea of a virgin birth.

22. This is what brought me to the understanding that God was true. I always wondered about God so I started checking things out and OMGosh it was amazing...Good question I might add!